tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post4387656236089639533..comments2023-09-29T06:57:06.991-07:00Comments on Anglachel's Journal: Hillary is Not Going to Save UsAnglachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-92217184292311085642010-12-12T05:46:08.756-08:002010-12-12T05:46:08.756-08:00@myiq2xu... Hmmm. A leaderless grassroots movement...@myiq2xu... Hmmm. A leaderless grassroots movement? Where have we heard that before? Are we now the ones we've been waiting for? And how fungible was FDR? Or Martin Luther King, Jr.?<br /><br />I'd suggest that the choice between messiah and movement is a false choice -- in fact, a non-choice. They basically operate in the same ambit, two sides of the same coin. What has to happen is that the institution of the Democratic Party has to continue (yes, continue) its struggle back to governing fitness. The Clinton presidency was a step. The Dean campaign was a step. The role the Netroots played in 2006 was a step. The current Congressional separation from Obama is a step. I'm hopeful there will be more steps forward over the coming decade. (Of course, as in anything, there are steps backward, too. That same Howard Dean helped take some big ones in 2008, abetted by some of those Congresscritters who are now having a bucket-of-cold-water morning after.)<br /><br />Since Vietnam, the Democratic Party hasn't been fit to govern -- with the exception of the Clinton era (and then it was in spite of the rest of the Party, more than because of it). In fact, it retreated from the idea of governing. In this, it wasn't entirely an idiot - because the radical democratization launched by the Internet DID change the ground rules for governing. But the Net didn't eliminate them. Revolutions don't destroy, they repurpose. And there remains an important role for parties, for institutions, for nation states... even in a planet moving toward a global commons. In that reality -- the reality of our era -- we need a healthy Democratic Party that actually wants power and wants to use it for liberal policy ends when it gets it. And that involves leaders and institutional robustness, as well as movements.Falstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01543557291381143262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-10403352998029529042010-12-05T12:10:51.082-08:002010-12-05T12:10:51.082-08:00Instead of waiting for Hillary to rescue us we'...Instead of waiting for Hillary to rescue us we're just going to have to do it ourselves.<br /><br />We don't need a leader, we need a grassroots movement. In a movement like that leaders are fungible.<br /><br />If we sit around waiting for a leader to rescue us we'll end up with another Obama.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-34384959503042342082010-12-04T16:50:42.527-08:002010-12-04T16:50:42.527-08:00CDS started as early as 1991 and is a reflection o...CDS started as early as 1991 and is a reflection of the Democratic Party real value system. It doesn't pain Pelosi, representing one of the more progressive districts, to talk endlessly and only about the middle class which is code word for white collar.<br /><br />Those who support new deal 2, I call them Cesar Chavez Democrats, want the party to include everyone under the tent, that is blue and white, black, brown, yellow and white, etc.<br /><br />Today the Party of the liberals is as full of hate as the Tea mob. Liberals hate Clinton, Fox TV, Israel and the uneducated.<br /><br />I am not very optimistic, not because Hillary won’t run, but because hate is a chronic disease, that is there is no cure.Koshem Boshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01724595772791711326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-67440668568077826082010-12-04T14:05:03.289-08:002010-12-04T14:05:03.289-08:00Hi Joseph,
I tried sending you an email the other...Hi Joseph,<br /><br />I tried sending you an email the other day, but it got bounced back. You may have posted a comment here back during the 2008 primaries, but I think that's the extent of our correspondence. My memory has never been what it once was, of course.<br /><br />I'm intrigued by your post and look forward to seeing what you launch. As a matter of policy, I only post to my own blog, though I have been known to toss off a comment elsewhere now and then.<br /><br />AnglachelAnglachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-76850847177115758912010-12-04T13:45:40.279-08:002010-12-04T13:45:40.279-08:00Anglachel, I can't believe that you and I publ...Anglachel, I can't believe that you and I published such similar manifestos on the same day.<br /><br />http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-deal-manifesto.html<br /><br />People are going to think that you and I colluded. In fact, we have never privately corresponded. (If memory serves -- and keep in mind that my memory sometimes does not.) <br /><br />A new New Deal website is coming soon. If you want to write for it, we will be proud and honored to feature your words.Joseph Cannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574779960109698980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-91592418748304708022010-12-04T13:36:52.376-08:002010-12-04T13:36:52.376-08:00I would like to be able to take your long view on ...I would like to be able to take your long view on party building but I worry that things are going to get so much worse before they get better, that it may be irreparable.show mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083761336244657868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-66139984286823169822010-12-04T12:24:50.645-08:002010-12-04T12:24:50.645-08:00As usual, I agree. My only addition to your argume...As usual, I agree. My only addition to your argument would be the thought I have been on for awhile now about where Hillary has gotten to as an evolutionary advance for the humans. She has struggled her way to a rather unique position in American history -- not just with the potential to do good deeds as a private citizen, a la Bill, but as a political actor outside of/beyond beyond politics, in some ways. I talked about this at the end of this early post -- http://falstaff-falstaff.blogspot.com/2008/06/something-happened-look-back.html.<br /><br />Which isn't, of course, to say that she will 'save us.'Falstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01543557291381143262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-87241245505672435582010-12-04T08:48:19.423-08:002010-12-04T08:48:19.423-08:00Personally I'm disappointed although I'm g...Personally I'm disappointed although I'm glad that I won't have to go through all the agita and tsuris that I usually endure with the national Hillary mudslinging.<br /><br />And when both Clintons are off the US stage and things still don't improve maybe the CDS sufferers on the left and the right will finally let go of their pathology.LinGinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161369969301421756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-91557584821956957992010-12-04T08:01:38.854-08:002010-12-04T08:01:38.854-08:00I agree that Hillary will not run, and I'm tor...I agree that Hillary will not run, and I'm torn on that one -- a part of me wishes she would, but I think a bigger part hopes she goes off and does whatever the hell she wants. <br /><br />The FDR, New Deal 2.0 Democratic Party you describe is what I'd like to see. At this point, I'm skeptical it can / will happen without significant efforts from the outside, by way of third party or parties. I see myself as a liberal independent, and basically that means I've been without a party with which to affiliate for some time now.<br /><br />As I said in an earlier comment, I know the usual response to third party talk is to dismiss it as all but impossible in our system. At this point, however, perhaps there is enough "I've had it" anger, and energy, to make political space for something different. <br /><br />But whether from within the Dem party structure or from without, or a combination, if Obama and the Dem party DC Electeds do not feel the consequences of their choices from Dem party voters, the Stevensonian power grab becomes even more entrenched, the nation continues its shift to the right, and we're even more screwed.<br /><br />Just one specific example of how horrible things are -- the unemployment rate rises when expected to fall, and creates barely a blip on the DC radar, a momentary blip on msm radar. The new normal: oh yeah, lots of people can't find work. But don't worry, look at how well the financial industries are doing!Joyce L. Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16312448459230498463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-82308895086370878412010-12-04T07:35:26.283-08:002010-12-04T07:35:26.283-08:00I want Hillary to save us.
We need Hillary to sav...I want Hillary to save us.<br /><br />We need Hillary to save us.<br /><br />But I know that her work in the private sector for women and children will be wonderful and well received (and needed). There is no better voice to do this than her voice. <br /><br />And I am happy that she will be out of the line of fire from the disgusting treatment she has received in the past and would have received again in the future in American politics.<br /><br />Rise, Hillary. Rise!Shainzonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00885787622541523527noreply@blogger.com