tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post7450750651843663766..comments2023-09-29T06:57:06.991-07:00Comments on Anglachel's Journal: 1968 or 1976?Anglachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-59598391218663086512008-05-17T06:27:00.000-07:002008-05-17T06:27:00.000-07:00When asked to give examples of misogyny, a person ...When asked to give examples of misogyny, a person usually comes up short on TV interviews. Direct them to this site where they are listed and varified.<BR/><BR/>http://www.ericacbarnett.com/2008/05/women_in_politics_the_same_as.htmgendergappershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607028861861443195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-88564643260291690152008-05-17T06:19:00.000-07:002008-05-17T06:19:00.000-07:00CMike:Good one. Here's less than one month after t...CMike:<BR/><BR/>Good one. Here's less than one month after the 1993 inauguration. <BR/><BR/>http://tiny.cc/bCZYP <BR/><BR/>I will never forget it. As soon as I saw it (I was just 21 at the time) I knew that she'd be vilified for as long as she was in the spotlight. And I knew it would be sexist crap the entire way. In a way, that cover created the first layer of armor for me as a Hillary Clinton fan.<BR/><BR/>Also, great post as usual, Anglachel.Anna Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13206725506820538612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-5885433040362335762008-05-16T23:55:00.000-07:002008-05-16T23:55:00.000-07:00Mostly, he is a seriously screwed up individual, a...<I>Mostly, he is a seriously screwed up individual, and I mean George W Bush level of screwed up. </I><BR/><BR/>I've come to the same conclusion. The "Sweetie" thing pretty much sealed the deal.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and apparently <A HREF="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=927" REL="nofollow">he called Barbara Boxer a "cutie."</A>Other Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08079055348844157557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-1014743154894978572008-05-16T23:12:00.000-07:002008-05-16T23:12:00.000-07:00lakelobos,Good criticisms all the way around. Sorr...lakelobos,<BR/><BR/>Good criticisms all the way around. Sorry that my pop culture reference caused you such a headache!<BR/><BR/>The model isn't perfect; then again, that's not what I'm aiming for now. This is a very exciting political season for someone like myself who studies political theory and history precisely because it is breaking models in interesting ways. Thus, much theorizing.<BR/><BR/>Obama does and doesn't want to be part of the Establishment. He wants to call the shots, but does not have the temperament to run such an operation. He gets bored too easily. He also wants very much to belong and to be lauded as the best of a class of people. Mostly, he is a seriously screwed up individual, and I mean George W Bush level of screwed up. <BR/><BR/>He doesn't *have* a machine, which is why he keeps having to borrow other people's organizations.<BR/><BR/>I agree that what he <EM>wants</EM> is to be king, but the longer we go along, the less I see of an operation that can pull it off.<BR/><BR/>AnglachelAnglachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-18480762109172111052008-05-16T22:47:00.000-07:002008-05-16T22:47:00.000-07:00The model is perfect. I have to admit that it take...The model is perfect. I have to admit that it takes me awhile to understand the details; I was not even an American or living in the US in 1976 and in 1980 I was just getting my feet wet. (To understand the term Bejamins I had to walk through several googlized paths and about 10 minutes of agony.)<BR/><BR/>The model is excellent and the comment by Turtle illuminates an important point that the model didn't elaborate on. Hillary "learned" progressiveness slowly starting from Nevada. Before Super Tuesday I constantly shared with my spousal unit my dismay with the inevitability strategy Hillary was running on.<BR/><BR/>Ford had no designs; he was a decent, hardworking American who could have been a much better president than the useless Carter turned out to be. Ford and Obama couldn't be more different. <BR/><BR/>I raise this point to claim that Obama doesn't intend to be part of the party establishment. He wants to THE party. In other word, the structural analysis is perfect from today and backwards to the beginning of the campaign, but simple extrapolation of the model to the future doesn't seem to fit the events on the gound. <BR/><BR/>Once Obama becomes the nominee he'll destroy the current Kennedy/Kerry/Dean establishment and replace it with his own machine. The new coalition of AA and the creative class(as laughable as it is), the abandonment of the party network and replacing it with the Obama infrastructure (which already shows weaknesses) and finally the throwing overboard of organization such as the Center for American Progress (centralize everything in Obama's hands while democracy is inherently decentralized) are strong signs that Obama wants to be the party's Saddam.<BR/><BR/>I wonder whether, with a much better understanding of American politics than I possess, it is possible to extend the model to cover both the past and the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-28987088303057195202008-05-16T19:02:00.000-07:002008-05-16T19:02:00.000-07:00Thanks for the post. I have heard Joe Scarborough...Thanks for the post. I have heard Joe Scarborough say something similar for several months now. I think it makes sense.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09390780947971791871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-50993657584214362552008-05-16T18:43:00.000-07:002008-05-16T18:43:00.000-07:00I have to agree with Ivory Bill. Obama is the "Ch...I have to agree with Ivory Bill. Obama is the "Chosen One" by the powers that be. And just because I always knew that Bush always governed as if he knew he would win. He knew he didn't have to take anything into account. The fix was in. And of course it was. And the DNC and Obama is doing the same thing. The fix is in and we know it. Maybe we can't stop what they are doing, but we can sure as hell try. Howard Dean, Axelrod, Brazile, Obama..they are worse than Bush. Who is really behind this? This is bigger than Axelrod and Dean. That is the scary thing. Only Hillary stands against these maniacs and the abyss.alibehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02164317804514299296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-79786924039634823482008-05-16T18:34:00.000-07:002008-05-16T18:34:00.000-07:00Very interesting analysis as always.Anglachel, I c...Very interesting analysis as always.<BR/><BR/>Anglachel, I can't help but be curious about you since I've started reading you daily. Are you willing to disclose anything about yourself?Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05804924788449354837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-46358764735235047152008-05-16T17:49:00.000-07:002008-05-16T17:49:00.000-07:00*dons tinfoil hat*If, as I have postulated on anot...*dons tinfoil hat*<BR/><BR/>If, as I have postulated on another thread, Obama, rather than McCain, is the choice of the economic elite this time, then maybe Dean, Brazile, et al. have been told that THIS time, the crooked voting machines will be rigged to favor the Democrat--and that would explain why they're so confident they don't need us.Ivory Bill Woodpeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318699512583970467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-83552345670364618552008-05-16T17:44:00.000-07:002008-05-16T17:44:00.000-07:00God, your analysis just blows me away! Thoughts t...God, your analysis just blows me away! Thoughts that I have but you express them so such clarity.<BR/><BR/>I will never vote for Obama should he wrestle the nomination from Hillary. They both were invited to attend a Town Hall meeting tonight someplace in Oregon. They were each offered a half hour apiece. She accepted, he couldn't be bothered. They went ahead and gave her the full hour instead. The gathering was aimed at undecided voters. Right now she is closing in on him with a 5 point difference where at one time led with 12.<BR/><BR/>Either his arrogance permits him to snub those appearances and he feels he has already captured the vote outright or his handlers are making a big mistake. This imperiousness is not winning many of us over. He is a poor selection for the general and hopefully, though I am a lifelong Dem who has voted in local, state and national elections, I prefer to see us go down in defeat than to cast a vote for him. Sad but true.Pat Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04399824249094384084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-5522778716509479462008-05-16T17:05:00.000-07:002008-05-16T17:05:00.000-07:00Very sound argument for what possibly is ahead if ...Very sound argument for what possibly is ahead if Obamano gets anywhere near the White House.<BR/><BR/>I've attended a Hillary ralley and afterwards spouted off that she was the best candidate ever!<BR/><BR/>Could someone explain why we push forward these "empty suits"? Along with Obamano, Bush ("W") comes to mind.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276154070384929502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-55773454749395384792008-05-16T16:52:00.000-07:002008-05-16T16:52:00.000-07:00I apologize, Kitty. I thought several weeks ago yo...I apologize, Kitty. I thought several weeks ago you were being too harsh on Snob-ama over at Shakesville, but you were right about the sumbitch.Ivory Bill Woodpeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318699512583970467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-35256464936242112092008-05-16T16:48:00.000-07:002008-05-16T16:48:00.000-07:00June 3, 1933 (ninety-one days after the March 4 in...<A HREF="http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=J4PQBTFD8D3C9P3SHR5LCK17CK0065VA&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=39735&pid=&advanced=1&keyword=undefined&artist=§ion=prints&caption=&artID=&topic=&pubDateFrom=12/31/1929&pubDateTo=01/01/1940&pubDateMon=&pubDateDay=&pubNY=&color=0&title=1930s&whichpage=64&sortBy=popular" REL="nofollow">June 3, 1933</A> (ninety-one days after the March 4 inaugural)CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-56406403838789378412008-05-16T16:09:00.000-07:002008-05-16T16:09:00.000-07:00I find this post to be very hopeful. I so much app...I find this post to be very hopeful. I so much appreciate your analysis and find that you articulate so well what I have been thinking.I have been with Hillary from the start but have grown to really understand how much this country needs her, not to mention how much the Democratic Party needs her. I wish she could just start a third party but it seems that the structural restrictions would make that implausable.With some exceptions the Democratic National leadership is so weak and coopted it would be good if they could just be cut out somehow.<BR/><BR/>People like myself who have been radicalized by this primary process and have no intention of voting for Obama need to channel their energy toward 2012. I really hope some avenues develope to do that.show mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083761336244657868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-48150534564594924712008-05-16T15:36:00.000-07:002008-05-16T15:36:00.000-07:00Joseph writes:**************But if either Clinton ...Joseph writes:<BR/>**************<BR/><I>But if either Clinton had the ability to restructure the party, surely that would have occurred in the 1990s?</I><BR/>***************<BR/><BR/>To be fair to the Clintons, they were up against a conservative public relations Juggernaut during those years with very weak bases of support of their own to rely on for pushback. The Democratic congressional majorities, themselves, were wiped out in 1994 and not because of Travelgate or Hillarycare or Vince Foster. The Democrats on the Hill had plenty of PR problems of their own making and an inability to develop and deliver a message.<BR/><BR/>The Limbaugh/Gingrich/Arkansas Project/NY Times/Washington Post/ABC News This Week with David Brinkley crowd et al. spent the nineties engaged in <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Hunting-President-Ten-Year-Campaign-Destroy/dp/B000VYJ91Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210975287&sr=8-2" REL="nofollow">"The Hunting of the President."</A> There was no effective push back from the Democratic side except when Bill Clinton, himself, stood before the cameras.<BR/><BR/>Things are quite a bit different now due to the rise of the internet and to the understanding activists on the Left -and the general public- now have of the Right Wing message machine. Should she become President, I think Hillary Clinton would be in a much stronger position than Bill Clinton was during his White House years. <BR/><BR/>I supported John Edwards earlier in the process but now I think, of the two, Hillary Clinton is the stronger, shrewder, better prepared political force and that makes me think she likely would be more effective as president than Edwards in moving the country to the left. <BR/><BR/>My respect for Clinton grew during 2007, these days I'm a big supporter of hers. I think Clinton is capable of achieving great things as a president provided she serves with solid Democratic majorities in both Houses of Congress. <BR/><BR/>(Over the years, I have become a big Al Gore booster too. Guess I didn't realize how well I had it in the nineties.)CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-11306939054873949562008-05-16T15:19:00.000-07:002008-05-16T15:19:00.000-07:00Hi Turtle,Very good question.I think the best thin...Hi Turtle,<BR/><BR/>Very good question.<BR/><BR/>I think the best thing that ever happened to Hillary is Chelsea. ;-)<BR/><BR/>It's a little bigger than Obama, though he has turned into the perfect foil for her campaign. I don't think anyone expected the campaign to be this personal and savage. Of all the other competitors, none would have received the kid gloves treatment that The Precious has enjoyed, and none of them are empty suits the way he is. Put it all together and you have something that is incredibly unfair.<BR/><BR/>So, who is going to recognize and empathize with relentless unfairness, especially when she does not aks for relief but just redoubles her efforts? People who know when they're in a system stacked against them, and that's the ordinary schmoe. That and the way she really does just go anywhere and talk to anyone on the level and with her best attention.<BR/><BR/>I'm reminded of the New Yorker cartoon where the coal miners in the mine look up and one exclaims "Look, it's Mrs. Rooseveldt!" because Elanor would go anywhere to hear the concerns of ordinary people.<BR/><BR/>AnglachelAnglachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-76553702679757539262008-05-16T15:04:00.000-07:002008-05-16T15:04:00.000-07:00Anglachel,Do you think Hillary could have consolid...Anglachel,<BR/><BR/>Do you think Hillary could have consolidated the working class vote behind her without Obama acting as an effective foil? Sometimes I think that the contrast of Hillary against elite Obama North-Eastern entitlement is what gave her the working class support she enjoys. Without this contrast, it would have been more difficult to see her.<BR/><BR/>So, basically, I'm asking - is Obama the best thing to ever happen to Hillary?Chinaberry Turtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917878302338229102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-40485697256246226272008-05-16T14:31:00.000-07:002008-05-16T14:31:00.000-07:00I'm not convinced.I know that you stipulated that ...I'm not convinced.<BR/><BR/>I know that you stipulated that the comparison is based on structure rather than content, but it is impossible for me to see Ford and think of the bizarre Messianism which is at the heart of the Obama movement. <BR/><BR/>It is true that neither Clinton has been the darling of either the party elders or of the corporations. (Even though the progs repeatedly call her a "corporate whore.") But if either Clinton had the ability to restructure the party, surely that would have occurred in the 1990s?<BR/><BR/>Bill Clinton was successful but not transformative. He was able to impede but not to reverse the march to Libertarianism/Friedmanism.<BR/><BR/>Hillary cannot do it either.<BR/><BR/>Obama's purpose is to make the Democratic Party to new motive force for Libertarianism. That IS transformative, although it's a transformation I will oppose to the bitter end.Joseph Cannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574779960109698980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-13892595726610568592008-05-16T14:15:00.000-07:002008-05-16T14:15:00.000-07:00Obama as Ford, you got that right. How many accid...Obama as Ford, you got that right. How many accidents did Ford cause/survive? LOL!The Fabulous Kitty Glendowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259506108044329136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-40865343681463661412008-05-16T14:02:00.000-07:002008-05-16T14:02:00.000-07:00"Under the hood, it's mostly about the Benjamins"D..."Under the hood, it's mostly about the Benjamins"<BR/><BR/>Damn straight, and I wanna know where he's getting all those Benjamins, because I do NOT believe the official story about the "netroots network of small donors".Ivory Bill Woodpeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01318699512583970467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-35691958866129280642008-05-16T13:27:00.000-07:002008-05-16T13:27:00.000-07:00i like this analysis.i think it is quite valid, mo...i like this analysis.<BR/><BR/>i think it is quite valid, more so now, of course, than in december, but quite valid nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>your post, anglachel, gives me the excuse to say something about clinton i have been wanting to say for some time:<BR/><BR/>i think clinton will be a VERY active, VERY progressive president,<BR/><BR/>very liberal (i refuse to give up that fine word which describes the best in the american political spirit).<BR/><BR/>i think she understands extremely well how american national and state executive departments work, how the congress and state legislatures work,<BR/><BR/>how the national parties work.<BR/><BR/>she has such a wealth of experience it is almost physically painful for me to see this national talent be mocked and demeaned<BR/><BR/>and to think that she not only was not awarded the democratic nomination on merit, but she may not even be able to win it in contest.<BR/><BR/>that this is the case, speaks volumes against national democratic party leaders. <BR/><BR/>but back to my conviction, and prediction, that clinton will be the most liberal president we have had since roosevelt, far more so than her husband or carter or senator obama.<BR/><BR/>she will be this way because of her extraordinary experience<BR/><BR/>and because of who she is, her personality. that personality i take to be very analytical, very caring, and willing to work extremely hard to achieve things for needy others, for a healthy society and economic growth, and for a major role in world affairs that does not depend on killing people to be effective.orionATLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052116776071979616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-60180945676133247532008-05-16T13:25:00.000-07:002008-05-16T13:25:00.000-07:00This is an excellent, very compelling post.This is an excellent, very compelling post.Redstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17531172542265715242noreply@blogger.com