tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post8096378461780238379..comments2023-09-29T06:57:06.991-07:00Comments on Anglachel's Journal: Oh My, DarlingAnglachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-16648640197104236492008-04-28T19:27:00.000-07:002008-04-28T19:27:00.000-07:00Re Lou Dobbs - Looked to me like a set up piece .....Re Lou Dobbs - Looked to me like a set up piece ... I mean, it's not like the viewers are flies in the wall overlooking a conversation in a beer hall or across a coffee table or something.<BR/><BR/>Gee, there's Dobbs just sittin' there thinkin' out loud , having revelations about how "the media" has been covering Obama-Clinton... gimme a break... Oh, Sheinkopf, what a coincidence you are here. Could you give us a spontaneous unexpected reaction on these totally fresh revelations that are passing through my brain and out my mouth?<BR/><BR/>Here is what I'm presuming to be a somewhat more truly spontaneous conversation with Mr. Sheinkopf- http://preview.tinyurl.com/5og7ws <BR/><BR/>Remember it as we continue down the road.Gary McGowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03329080938000561329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-92017031898231165342008-04-28T19:04:00.000-07:002008-04-28T19:04:00.000-07:00It amazes me the excuses I've heard to justify not...<I>It amazes me the excuses I've heard to justify not counting MI and FL voters as if the people who live in those states don't have a right to choose our nominee.</I><BR/><BR/>And as if the people in those states will totter up and hand over their vote in November with the greatest cheerfulness.<BR/><BR/>It's crazy, absolutely crazy. To a large extent, I don't CARE whether Teh Rulz "allow" you to disenfranchise FL and MI. If we do, we will pay the price in November. That is the ONLY rule that counts.<BR/><BR/>These are childish little twerps who can't grasp the fact that if they flip up two middle fingers in several million people's faces and go, "UR PWNED, LOSER!!!!!!!" those people will not like them very much. The concept of consequences hasn't gotten through to them.<BR/><BR/>The ONLY rule that counts is the rule of life and basic human psychology that says <I>if we permit the disenfranchisement of two entire states, those states will go redder than Bettie Page's lipstick in November</I>.<BR/><BR/>Finis.<BR/><BR/>"But that's not faaaaaaair! We gamed teh rulz and that counts!"<BR/><BR/>It counts in video games, but welcome to real life, kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-25708057538922943842008-04-28T18:02:00.000-07:002008-04-28T18:02:00.000-07:00ChinaberryTurtle: I've found that the best thing f...ChinaberryTurtle: I've found that the best thing for my health is to ignore Obama talking points. It amazes me the excuses I've heard to justify not counting MI and FL voters as if the people who live in those states don't have a right to choose our nominee. Obama was given the opportunity to agree to a revote in those two states but he's too chicken to want to fight Hillary and end up losing like he's done in almost every crucial state we need to win in November. Well, if he decides to disenfranchise us now he can be sure that he won't be able to count on MI and FL in the general election. My mother lives in MI and she'll slam the phone down if the Obama campaign dares to call her asking for her support. Karma sucks when you've thrown millions of people (along with women, granny and Rev. Wright) under the freight train. <BR/><BR/>I also find it amusing that Obamabots are popping up all over pro-Hillary sites ever since TX and OH. They know the Messiah is in trouble and will have problems winning over Clinton supporters if he is the nominee. They weren't worried about dissing us back in January and February when they were arrogant enough to believe Obama had the nomination in the bag and could easily win over the stupid, uneducated Clinton supporters. It really is amateur hour over at places like DKos. Moveon.org and the leftist blogosphere are whining because their Messiah went on FOX News. Boo fucking Hoo. Maybe they'll learn what we've known all along: Obama is not a fighter. He's an opportunistic coward. Maybe they should've waited for him to actually be vetted before endorsing him and slamming Hillary and her supporters with insults and threats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-80625758633824277012008-04-28T17:27:00.000-07:002008-04-28T17:27:00.000-07:00Typical Obama Moron = "The precious RULZ say that ...Typical Obama Moron = "The precious RULZ say that MI and FL should not count."<BR/><BR/>Hillary Response = "OK. The precious RULZ also say that the superdelegates can vote however they want based on what they think is best and based on which candidate can best beat McCain. The superdelegates need not follow the pledged delegate score."<BR/><BR/>Typical Obama Moron Response = "NOOOO. THAT particular rule is bad. You need to think beyond the RULZ. Can't overrule the will of the pledged delegates!"<BR/><BR/>Hypocritical fucking morons.Chinaberry Turtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917878302338229102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-36487183517522301022008-04-28T17:19:00.000-07:002008-04-28T17:19:00.000-07:00Matt = scared shitless Obama supporter who's start...Matt = scared shitless Obama supporter who's starting to realize that the little wimminz ain't gonna come play kissy-nice make-up like he expected. <BR/><BR/>I truly delight in the fear that is coming over them now: "Oh shit, ladies really get pissed off when we call them bitches and <A HREF="http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2008/04/keith-olbermann-you-are-misogynist-not.html" REL="nofollow">sluts</A>."<BR/><BR/>Their new thinking: "no problem, we'll just turn on that ol' 'progressive guy' charm to woo 'em back."<BR/><BR/>hehe. Fucking amateur hour over in camp Obama.Chinaberry Turtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917878302338229102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-20260035738381722682008-04-28T14:35:00.000-07:002008-04-28T14:35:00.000-07:00cutepeachpandaThis isn't the schoolyard so ease up...cutepeachpanda<BR/>This isn't the schoolyard so ease up on the taunts.<BR/>You know and I know that Hillary didn't care about these so called disenfranchised FL and MI voters back in Aug 2007 when she signed an agreement to not recognize their votes and not campaign there. If she cared she would have made a stink about it then.<BR/>The FL and MI primaries ARE problematic - but they WILL be seated at the convention. It is then up to each individual delegate to decide who to support. If Hillary can convince them - good for her. <BR/>But, if Hillary wins ONLY with super delegate votes many people will view this as unfair - even if it IS fair under the rules. She NEEDS to run up as many votes as possible. I speak the truth on this. That is not my opinion. <BR/>And as I told you before I WILL vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I don't want 4 more years of Republicans in the WH.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-12083181669297259042008-04-28T13:45:00.000-07:002008-04-28T13:45:00.000-07:00Please do not answer Matt. He is a troll for Obama...Please do not answer Matt. He is a troll for Obama. There is no point in arguing here. This is a place for Clinton supporters to discuss what realistically is going on in this campaign, not what is going on in the minds of Hillary haters and Obama trolls who are deseperately trying to get Clinton supporters to like Obama and vote for him if he manages to steal this nomination by disenfranchising FL and MI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-68841799865537918022008-04-28T13:30:00.000-07:002008-04-28T13:30:00.000-07:00In my corner of the world many Democrats I know [w...In my corner of the world many Democrats I know [women actually] hate Hillary. They find her conniving and manipulative. They voted for Obama. What can I say? I like both candidates but I can see how both can become unelectable by November. Let me just add that if Clinton ONLY wins due to the Super Delegates [no matter how fair game that is] the MSM and many voters will feel she got it through back room deals. Voters will also feel disenfranchised. That happens and she is done. McCain will easily win.<BR/>She needs to find a way to get the popular vote inher favor without counting FL or MI. I know, I know, all Hillary supporters think FL and MI count. In the eyes of most they do not count [never did actually]. So she needs to get votes in the remaining states that cannot be denied by anyone. She does that she may get the nomination and she may win.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-8908925446200103582008-04-28T13:11:00.000-07:002008-04-28T13:11:00.000-07:00OT, but you will want to see this, Anglachel. It's...OT, but you will want to see this, Anglachel. It's a longer piece that I cut after the sentence that caught my attention: <BR/><BR/>April 28<BR/><BR/>FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:<BR/><BR/>Lincoln-Douglas made it famous…a debate with no moderator…but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen between Obama and Clinton.<BR/><BR/>With just over a week to go before the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, and the two candidates running virtually neck and neck in Indiana, Clinton wants to debate Obama in both states, as a means of picking up votes in a race that he currently leads overall.<BR/><BR/>She says that she will debate him any place at any time, adding that it could even be done on the back of a flat-bed truck. He would probably prefer to run over her with a flat-bed truck at this point.<BR/><BR/>http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/28/should-obama-have-accepted-another-debate/Peregrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17907415282281501111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-41987623982920411412008-04-28T10:06:00.000-07:002008-04-28T10:06:00.000-07:00I see what Wasabi Cat wrote and I found this. But...I see what Wasabi Cat wrote and I found <A HREF="http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/more-threats/" REL="nofollow">this.</A> But I'd still need to pin down the time and place of that Brazile quote before I would use it.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-78202643066344448472008-04-28T09:44:00.000-07:002008-04-28T09:44:00.000-07:00wasabi...what were you listening to when you heard...wasabi...what were you listening to when you heard that comment?<BR/><BR/>I am outraged at the reference and plan to call the DNC...but I would like a specific reference to where it was said.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Shainzonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18219260005354359058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-2348510365149294092008-04-28T09:23:00.000-07:002008-04-28T09:23:00.000-07:00Donna said that it would be a problem if the nomin...Donna said that it would be a problem if the nomination would be given to Clinton. Then she referenced the movie "There Will Be Blood". I heard it, and I'm reliable.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18288281500686152779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-62746341240846441322008-04-28T06:21:00.000-07:002008-04-28T06:21:00.000-07:00It's worth remembering that the MSM was vehemently...It's worth remembering that the MSM was vehemently and toxically against Bill Clinton from the very beginning. It didn't affect his standing with the American people. The more they attacked the more popular he became.<BR/><BR/>Obama's problem will not be the MSM; his problem will be with Democrats and the GOP (and in this order).<BR/><BR/>Speaking for myself, the racial attacks by Obama are dwarfed, in my opinion, by his enthusiastic support for the hate campaign against HRC. I don't vote for hate mongers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-4806593421807011582008-04-28T03:54:00.000-07:002008-04-28T03:54:00.000-07:00Anglachel writes:**************Allegedly, Donna Br...Anglachel writes:<BR/>**************<BR/><I>Allegedly, Donna Brazile said today that "there would be blood" if Obama was not handed the nomination. (I say alleged as I do not have a citation, only a comment in passing.)</I><BR/>***************<BR/><BR/>Please consider dialing it back. Bob Somerby has pointed out for years how Keith Olbermann plays it fast and loose with the facts. (Somerby would point out from time to time that Olbermann, a bit too frequently, got <A HREF="http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh041106.shtml" REL="nofollow"> his facts</A> wrong when smacking down President Bush and his gang.)<BR/><BR/>Did Al Sharpton say there would be "trouble" in Denver if Sen. Obama was denied the nomination? Yes. Though I'm not finding the exact quote, Sharpton's comment has been reported in stories discussing <A HREF="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/apr/24/rush-dreaming-riots-denver/" REL="nofollow">Rush Limbaugh</A> "dreaming of riots."<BR/><BR/>Is Donna Brazile a divisive figure? Yes. However, until there is a reliable source for the "there would be blood" quote, it should not be cited. <BR/><BR/>Fox and MSNBC are purveyors of biased narratives which they are forever advancing with "not caught on tape" quotes and the fruit of their commentators' alleged ability to read minds.<BR/><BR/>From what I gather, <I>Anglachel's Journal</I> is intended to serve the fact based community.CMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13481861530761114492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-6545035832973300092008-04-28T03:44:00.000-07:002008-04-28T03:44:00.000-07:00What did you think - did the Rev have the Wright s...What did you think - did the Rev have the Wright stuff? Did he help BO.<BR/><BR/>I noticed that with all his different, not deficient examples, he never mentioned how men have and do consider women deficient thus the reason for the superiority of man.<BR/><BR/>No doubt what women are deficient in - external genitalia. How about those ornamaental bull testicles hanging on the boyz pickups - tell you anything?<BR/><BR/>So like all the other misogynists,the Rev intentionally left out women, thus slamming Hillary and all women.gendergappershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607028861861443195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-31479195119979348992008-04-27T22:43:00.000-07:002008-04-27T22:43:00.000-07:00Donna Brazille is the most destructive Democrat I'...Donna Brazille is the most destructive Democrat I've ever seen. Why is anyone even listening to her? She screwed over Gore and now she wants to destroy the entire party just to get Obama nominated. I am not surprised that she is now resorting to threats of riots and violence. She is only making things worse for herself, Obama, and the perception of African Americans in this country. If Dean had any balls he would tell her to step down from the DNC immediately. Pelosi has done enough damage with her comments. <BR/><BR/>The MSM is so going to turn on Obama. I can already see it. That Lou Dobbs clip summarizes everything Obama and his endorsers can look forward to in the general election. Anyone who isn't an Obamabot like Brazile and Olbermann sees the writing on the wall. People like BTD who think Obama can simply win because a few people in the media elite are enamored with him are fooling themselves. There will be enough in the media who will love McCain and MSNBC isn't powerful enough to give Obama a win. Olbermann and Tweety won't be able to stop the 527s from swiftboating Obama with Wright and Ayers. Wright will be the downfall of the Democratic Party whether he likes it or not. Wright's media blitz isn't helping Obama. As long as he is in the media, FOX and the GOP can continue to air clips of Wright saying G-d D*mn America.<BR/><BR/>You can be sure that every superdelegate who has endorsed Obama, especially those in red states, are sweating like pigs in heat. Not only have they realized that Obama is unelectable but their own political careers are hanging in the balance. Just wait until there is a Rev. Wright television ad in every state in the country. Thanks to Obama, an election that should've been in the bag for Clinton has now divided Democrats and might destroy the careers of every downticket Dem who has endorsed him. Unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-22550057651642139272008-04-27T20:46:00.000-07:002008-04-27T20:46:00.000-07:00I say again, in agreement with you, that Obama wil...I say again, in agreement with you, that Obama will be dropped the second Hillary Clinton is no longer a player in the election. Like a hot potato. Assuming she doesn't win, which is looking less and less like a shoe-in as she racks up wins in large states.<BR/><BR/>BTD refuses to see what most women know -- Obama is being used as a bat with which the white male power elite (and the women who identify with them, Nancy that means you) can beat the bitch.<BR/><BR/>The minute the bitch is beaten, they'll drop the bat. Why else would <I>frat boys</I> and other young white male 20-somethings be supporting this guy? No, I don't think it's because of his transformative anything. I think that the Obama signs are going up along fraternity rows across the country because he's <I>beating the bitch</I>.<BR/><BR/>Again, there are two parties in this election, thanks to one of the candidate's being a woman:<BR/><BR/>1) the party that hates women, and<BR/>2) the party that does not.<BR/><BR/>They are seeing the defeat of the bitch as the endpoint toward which they are struggling. Once she's out, they are <I>done</I> with Obama, and it's time to turn on him.<BR/><BR/>If BTD doesn't see that, he's out of his mind or naive. Or both. When you want to beat the bitch, you pick up the bat. When you're done, you drop it. Obama will be dropped like a diseased carcass by all of these misogynist posers the second after the convention, if he gets the nom. Count on it.<BR/><BR/>AA male Obama supporters, that means you, too -- don't for one second think that these white boys are suddenly your friend and You've Arrived. They aren't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-38313620285829855022008-04-27T20:32:00.000-07:002008-04-27T20:32:00.000-07:00not to worry.here's the real dope for that dope ho...not to worry.<BR/><BR/>here's the real dope for that dope howard dean, and the "uncommitted" superdelegates:<BR/><BR/>women rule american politics<BR/><BR/>(if they stay together).<BR/><BR/><BR/>according to dr. josh marshall, ph.d:<BR/><BR/>you know josh,<BR/><BR/>- the guy who bob somerby recently identified as having been kidnapped by someone -<BR/>probably arachne huffington or reed hunt carrying a roll.<BR/><BR/>- the proprietor of TPM (talking propaganda memo).<BR/><BR/>josh writes about the recent unpleasantness in pennsylvania.<BR/><BR/>the money quote: <BR/><BR/>[ "white women went for Clinton 68% - 33%. And they made up 46% of the electorate. Meanwhile, white men went for Clinton 57%-43% and made up only 33% of the electorate.]<BR/><BR/>woah! did i read that right?<BR/><BR/>howard dean, did you read that right?<BR/><BR/>the above quote is part of the following post dr. josh marshall, KDP<BR/><BR/>("kdp" is an honorary title in sophisty and stands for "kidnapped"):<BR/><BR/><BR/> [ ... Better For All Concerned<BR/><BR/>I've gotten a sense of this looking over the exit polls over the last couple months. Now Jonathan Tilove of Newhouse News Service has put it together in an article. The issue of race and whether that is what has prevented Barack Obama from cutting into Hillary Clinton's vote totals in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania has been a dicey and toxic question in this primary campaign -- and one that's not good (though in different ways) for either candidate. <BR/><BR/>But what Tilove points out is that at least a very substantial part of what's going is not whites voting against Obama because of race but women, particularly white women, voting for Hillary because of gender. This is something that shows up not only in the breakdown of the white female vote but the turnout of female voters in this year's primaries. <BR/><BR/>Tilove has various data points. But in Pennsylvania, for example, white women went for Clinton 68% - 33%. And they made up 46% of the electorate. Meanwhile, white men went for Clinton 57%-43% and made up only 33% of the electorate.<BR/><BR/>There are some questions the numbers themselves won't tell you. Is Hillary's still-strong showing among white men nonetheless an example of white resistance on the basis of Obama's race? While I think race is and will continue (if Obama's the nominee) to play a key role in this campaign, there's simply no basis to infer this just on the basis of the number spread.<BR/><BR/>But I see no reasonable argument that white women are more resistant to voting for a black man than white men. So in this case, I think we can reasonably infer from the poll numbers what common sense would likely tell us is obvious: that a big factor in this contest is women voting for Hillary because of her gender -- whether in the sense of identifying with her and her take on key issues or because of the historic nature of her candidacy.<BR/><BR/>This doesn't rule out racial voting -- but it does narrow the potential scope of it. And, as I alluded in the title of the post, it's one of these facts that has the virtue, in addition to being true, of casting the whole process in a much less toxic, divisive light. <BR/><BR/>--Josh Marshall ]<BR/><BR/><BR/>update:<BR/><BR/>since having been identified as having been kidnapped, josh marshall has graciously released his employee, greg sargeant, from solitary confinement, allowing greg to comment, under guard, on "the clinton matter".orionATLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052116776071979616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-6000343759238784322008-04-27T19:49:00.000-07:002008-04-27T19:49:00.000-07:00*I also disagree with BTD's unfounded assertion th...<I>*I also disagree with BTD's unfounded assertion that Hillary is not electable merely because the MSM will attack.</I> <BR/><BR/>It's only men who say the country's too sexist to elect Hillary because they either identify with it or know men like that. She doesn't care about the conservative white male vote because the unmarried women, working class, Latino, non college educated, etc. demographics are much bigger. Reminds me of what you said <A HREF="http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/04/myth-of-media-darling.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>:<BR/><BR/><I>Hillary is the opposite of a media darling. She's the voters' darling, and that is how you win elections.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-83072184864062084682008-04-27T19:10:00.000-07:002008-04-27T19:10:00.000-07:00I can only relate that in my small corner of the w...I can only relate that in my small corner of the world people who I know are telling me that they are becoming sick to death with being labeled racist because they have qualms about Obama as a candidate. Because they disagree with him on issues they are feeling the brunt of this by being labeled racist. This creates a quandry because being called a racist is equivalent to being called a child molester. It is difficult to disprove. <BR/><BR/>Obama may lose simply because the base of supporters are tired of the race baiting and may choose to either stay home or vote for McBush.Pat Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04399824249094384084noreply@blogger.com