tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post6719299063191377279..comments2023-09-29T06:57:06.991-07:00Comments on Anglachel's Journal: Olbermann Calls for Clinton's MurderAnglachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-71041652562367956572008-04-28T13:09:00.000-07:002008-04-28T13:09:00.000-07:00Olbermann's apology is no apology at all. It is a...Olbermann's apology is no apology at all. It is akin to the wife-beater who has just beat his wife "black and blue" and says, "if you would just stop misunderstanding me, this wouldn't happen to you."<BR/><BR/>I think the analogies given if the same things were said about Obama are absolutely correct. Olbermann would have been "history" a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>This man's arrogance is amazing. It's right up there with sociopaths and narcissists who think they can say and do anything if their desires are frustrated or if "God forbid", they think someone has made them angry.<BR/><BR/>This man needs to go. In our violent society with other "hostile mis-fits" out there just waiting for some excuse to vent their rage on some "unaware innocent" person, Olbermann is a "threat" to our civilized society.<BR/><BR/>"Good night and good riddance", Mr. Olbermann!cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07504339780141136035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-63129608190888431292008-04-27T08:35:00.000-07:002008-04-27T08:35:00.000-07:00What gets me is Imus got thrown out of his job for...What gets me is Imus got thrown out of his job for his racial remark to black girls. Olbermann should get thrown out for the sexist remark he made regarding Hillary. When it comes to race, WATCH OUT you may get punished for it. NOT when it comes to women, though. It appears you can say anything about a woman - any sexist remark you want. Not so when it comes to race. And furthermore a racist means whites and blacks, not only blacks. As far as Olbermann, he is nothing but a turd on the street.Niccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553382716276671466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-80639287210329179072008-04-26T23:21:00.000-07:002008-04-26T23:21:00.000-07:00No, that's not what I'm saying, and your vile insi...<I>No, that's not what I'm saying, and your vile insinuation that I am is contemptible.</I><BR/><BR/>Hank, Hank. You're being such a <I>victim</I>.<BR/><BR/><I>There is no such history with the comments Olbermann made, as tasteless as they may have been. Only the people who see every criticism of Hillary as misogyny have interpreted his comments as advocating violence.</I><BR/><BR/>Which alternate universe do you live in? In the universe I live in, "uppity" women get taken into rooms and beaten into submission all the fucking time, one of my sisters among them.Nadaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09066617623821807906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-78140489606582432262008-04-26T09:43:00.000-07:002008-04-26T09:43:00.000-07:00Hey Ann:RIGHT ON! YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE H...Hey Ann:<BR/><BR/>RIGHT ON! YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD !Niccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553382716276671466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-523262340132460422008-04-26T09:41:00.000-07:002008-04-26T09:41:00.000-07:00I believe there is a parallel example of another c...I believe there is a parallel example of another cable channel "event," but I trust the rest of you to suggest <I>why</I> more coherently than I can.<BR/><BR/>Does anybody recall the Kelly Tilghman/Tiger Woods <A HREF="http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2008/01/kelly-tilghmans-tiger-woods-statement.html" REL="nofollow"><I>zeitgeist?</I></A><BR/><BR/>Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this post and opportunity to respond.whaleshamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13998496497948657535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-61520592632886782572008-04-26T09:30:00.000-07:002008-04-26T09:30:00.000-07:00Olbermann apologized last night. Did you see the ...Olbermann apologized last night. Did you see the look on his face? He could barely get his words out.<BR/>What an asshole he is. I'd like to get my hands on him and kick his face in. Big jerk, creep, liar, and arrogant bastard that he is. He should be kicked out of TV immediately. This country doesn't need his phony broadcasting. And to think, I used to like him.<BR/>Wow, was I wrong about him. I hate his guts now.Niccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553382716276671466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-32358768798868855812008-04-25T23:41:00.000-07:002008-04-25T23:41:00.000-07:00Thank you so much for this. I had posted on it on ...Thank you so much for this. I had posted on it on my blog, I was so appalled and sickened by it and trolled the web looking for other like blogposts and found yours.<BR/>Thank you thank youWisewebwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281689872840844191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-81484551215367413892008-04-25T20:09:00.000-07:002008-04-25T20:09:00.000-07:00This is no longer about who one supports in the pr...This is no longer about who one supports in the presidential race. Senator Clinton now has just as viable an argument for the nomination of the Democratic party as Senator Obama. He has not won any of the big or swing states (except his home state) -- why do none of the pundits talk about taking him into a room and getting him to quit? <BR/><BR/>If anyone DARED to say about Sen. Obama: someone "takes him into a room and only the other one comes out" -- can you imagine the outrage?<BR/><BR/>This sends a horribly dangerous message to our daughters, mothers, wives and sisters. An act of violence is committed against women every few seconds in this country. Racism is not accepted in polite society, but sexism and misogyny -- hey, go for it! How can we allow this in this day and age? Keith Olbermann rants against her in the most disgusting ways every night. And he is not alone in this. One would never use this terminology about a male politician. Someone would have his head -- why is this man still on the air? "Take her into a room" -- this is certainly an expression with sinister implications -- at the very least, it advocates the idea of "putting a woman in her place." We say we are for equality in this country. I say, nonsense -- not if this behavior is permitted and everyone chuckles and looks the other way. This is not how you speak about a woman. Any woman.<BR/><BR/>This is as bad as the commentator on national TV who said a couple of months ago "somebody needs to take her behind the barn."<BR/><BR/>Until we call these people out for what they are doing, we send the message that it is perfectly acceptable to hate, deride and use violence against women.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346788263757236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-14264369109043322022008-04-25T18:07:00.000-07:002008-04-25T18:07:00.000-07:00matt: This is the last time I'll address you becau...matt: This is the last time I'll address you because you just don't get it. You don't respect what any Clinton supporter here has to say. We have been reasonable and intelligent. Your comments here suggest we aren't being reasonable and intelligent but in fact "dumb". That is your opinion. But my question is why are you here?? I have been coming to Anglachel's site since January. This has been a great place for Clinton supporters to come without having to defend their positions. If we wanted to argue with Obamabots we can go to HuffPo, DKos, and TPM. <BR/>If you have read ANY of Anglachel's posts in the last sevearl months you would realize that she has a very reasonable perspective on this election. No one on here called Obama a woman hater. That is your assumption. You just have a problem with anyone who dislikes Obama. First why don't you go over to an Obama supporter and start resolving the hatred they have for Hillary before telling us what to think.<BR/><BR/>Good-bye.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-30969531218187831302008-04-25T17:46:00.000-07:002008-04-25T17:46:00.000-07:00Here's a metaphorya....I think a man needs to take...Here's a metaphorya....I think a man needs to take Keith Olbermann into a room and later, only the man comes out.WWWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894791853518814293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-39298066774035598882008-04-25T17:26:00.000-07:002008-04-25T17:26:00.000-07:00cutepeachpandaI never, ever called someone opposed...cutepeachpanda<BR/>I never, ever called someone opposed to Obama a racist. So please don't play that card.<BR/>I am not here to convert anyone to Obama. I am simply asking for there to be a reasonable intelligent approach to this whole thing rather than just a mob mentality. It is amazing to me how much hate there is. As soon as Obama became a true contender the opinions on him went two ways - love him beyond reason / hate him beyond reason. Are people that dumb? Suddenly Obama is a liar, a woman hater, a racist, etc. <BR/>You should note that in the PA exit polls 67 percent of voters saying Hillary attacked Barack Obama unfairly - so let's not try to bend polls to our side.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-84495657883698182022008-04-25T17:14:00.000-07:002008-04-25T17:14:00.000-07:00Hank: Sorry, but you're wrong."There is no such h...Hank: Sorry, but you're wrong.<BR/><BR/>"There is no such history with the comments Olbermann made, as tasteless as they may have been. Only the people who see every criticism of Hillary as misogyny have interpreted his comments as advocating violence."<BR/><BR/>Millions of women have been abused - physically, mentally and emotionally - behind closed doors. There needn't be a wink or a nod for us to understand the implication of Olbermann's words.<BR/><BR/>It's probably one of those...if you've not walked a mile in our shoes, you can't possibly know. But it would be nice to know that at least you can respect our reactions for what they are.<BR/><BR/>Olbermann crossed a line. It wasn't Obama who did it. But it was an Obama supporter who has a mic and the ear of millions of Americans. I sincerely hope that a sicko didn't hear those words and decide one day to take action.<BR/><BR/>I will assume you feel the same way.Shainzonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18219260005354359058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-83442354576156662652008-04-25T17:02:00.000-07:002008-04-25T17:02:00.000-07:00This is akin to saying someone would take Obama ou...This is akin to saying someone would take Obama out behind the barn and not come back. Everyone in America would know it was the image of a lynching. Woman feel this every time we think of taking a walk after dark in ANY neighborhood. For blacks it may be "driving while black" but women it is "walking while female."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-12702706901788699752008-04-25T16:52:00.000-07:002008-04-25T16:52:00.000-07:00Matt: I do see the difference between Obama and hi...Matt: I do see the difference between Obama and his radical supporters on the web. I don't like either of them. Obama is ridiculous as well. The race baiting, the sexist remarks, the acceptance of misogyny on networks like MSNBC, his arrogance...there is more. I agree with everything Anglachel has had to say in the last several months. If you want our perspective on things, read her previous posts. Obama to me stands for nothing but lies. I don't see him as a unifier or a change agent. He is the establishment candidate. I am also disgusted with the DNC, Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Richardson, Kerry, Kennedy, and many more. <BR/><BR/>I don't think you're going to convert any of the regular posters here. There is a reason why more than 50% of Clinton supporters in PA said they were unwilling to vote for Obama. No, it's not because of racism. Not all of us are racist, uneducated hicks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-63088484827044328172008-04-25T16:47:00.000-07:002008-04-25T16:47:00.000-07:00cutepeachpandaYou need to be able to tell the diff...cutepeachpanda<BR/>You need to be able to tell the difference between Obama supporters and Obama. If I had to vote for many hateful Hillary supporters I would not vote at all. As it turns out I will vote for Hillary in the General [if she gets there] because I like her and her stance on the positions. I know full well if she wins that it will be her not her supporters who will occupy the White House.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-29557659939498712302008-04-25T16:36:00.000-07:002008-04-25T16:36:00.000-07:00nadal said:So, Hank, you're saying that if a newsc...nadal said:<BR/><BR/><I>So, Hank, you're saying that if a newscaster said Obama should be taken out back to the tall oak tree, no one would blink an eye?</I><BR/><BR/>No, that's not what I'm saying, and your vile insinuation that I am is contemptible.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you try comprehending what I said rather than twisting it to fit your sordid imagination?<BR/><BR/>This country has an ugly and shameful history of lynching black men and boys for such serious crimes as being "uppity" towards a white woman. To suggest that a black man be taken out back to an oak tree would immediately be an obvious reference to lynching.<BR/><BR/>There is no such history with the comments Olbermann made, as tasteless as they may have been. Only the people who see every criticism of Hillary as misogyny have interpreted his comments as advocating violence.Hank Gillettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17328364486555780403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-32683485332508590132008-04-25T16:09:00.000-07:002008-04-25T16:09:00.000-07:00Yea, Nicco!I said this earlier but I'll say it aga...Yea, Nicco!<BR/><BR/>I said this earlier but I'll say it again: Doesn't Tweety, Olbermann, Dowd, Herbert, and all the Obamabots on the web realize that the more they make us angry the more we hate their candidate and the more money we donate to Clinton????<BR/><BR/>If they wanted to defeat her all they had to do was play nice. Not all of us started this campaign hating Obama and his supporters. But we suddenly realized that if we didn't band together and create our own safe havens like The Confluence and No Quarter, we would have NOWHERE else to go to express our support for Clinton. Everyone except for the Republicans on MSNBC are fair to Clinton. DKos and TPM have also forced us to seek refuge elsewhere with their hateful language. Slowly we began to harden to Obama's message of "unity". I mean, how can THIS be unity? Is this the type of CHANGE we want? Change as in shitting on the first viable female candidate for president, making fun of her, and calling her supporters typical, bitter, uneducated white trash? <BR/><BR/>Now the Obamabots come to our websites. The safehavens we created after being harassed and exiled. How dare you come here and tell us to shut up? If you want to visit a pro-Hillary site at least respect the views expressed here rather than mock us and put our comments up on your site so other Obamabots can criticize and call us names. RIDICULOUS.<BR/><BR/>Keep it up assholes. I sent more money to Clinton after PA and I'll send her more again. You'll have to put up with us until the convention and you only have yourselves to blame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-33609943932197266002008-04-25T15:52:00.000-07:002008-04-25T15:52:00.000-07:00Keith Olbermann should be thrown out of his job.He...Keith Olbermann should be thrown out of his job.<BR/>He is the biggest hateful example of a man. In fact, next time he shows the worst person in the world, he better show himself as the worst person in the world.<BR/>He should be charged for murder. I hate his guts!<BR/>Tomorrow I am donated $100 to Hillary's campaign.Niccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553382716276671466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-9964747688660677852008-04-25T15:21:00.000-07:002008-04-25T15:21:00.000-07:00Hi,Thank you for this post Anglachel. It's so imp...Hi,<BR/>Thank you for this post Anglachel. It's so important to speak the truth, and so courageous when we live in a world that takes for granted male violence against women.<BR/><BR/>Yesterday I saw something so disturbing in the comments section of a Politico post. It was an animation of Hillary with her mouth wide open, making a sucking motion. Underneath it said "Suck it'. Of course this is an intimation of oral rape. <BR/><BR/>I am still upset about seeing this. I can't afford it but I sent $100 to Hillary. Because I'll know she'll do everything she can to help women and girls be safe. She's a fighter!Jenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09544734115589898894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-85999133770145001982008-04-25T15:13:00.000-07:002008-04-25T15:13:00.000-07:00cutepeachpanda I watched this live last night and ...cutepeachpanda <BR/>I watched this live last night and I didn't see the meaning that most do now. I actually think that it is now only being watched in the context as being a misogynistic quip.<BR/>And about the MSM. I think there is a perception that Obama cannot win because of Rev Wright and Ayers etc. But, let's be honest, that is a perception that only holds water if we think voters are so dumb that they use guilt by association, which is McCarthyism at its finest. It is fine to say Obama is not experienced enough or that you don't like his policies. But come on. Bill Clinton did some pretty bad things in the WH and he even commuted the sentences of two Weather Underground members. Should we blame Hillary and say she uses poor judgment by not only being married to Clinton knowing full well what he did? I would answer no. By your logic, yes?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-5355859468436541112008-04-25T14:50:00.000-07:002008-04-25T14:50:00.000-07:00What a crappy apology. About as sincere as most o...What a crappy apology. About as sincere as most of those coming from NSNBC misogynists. They do and say something outlandish and then laugh like hell and apologise. <BR/><BR/>Found this and it's a good read.<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/4mdddf by Joan Walshgendergappershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607028861861443195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-39924386362666273662008-04-25T14:28:00.001-07:002008-04-25T14:28:00.001-07:00bNo one said Obama is still in the race because of...bNo one said Obama is still in the race because of MSNBC. But the MSM has damn well made it much easier for him haven't they. Can you imagine Obama still in the race if they had exposed Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers before Super Tuesday? No one will ever know the answer to that but I'm sure those revelations would've made a difference in a few states. <BR/><BR/>Also, saying someone can beat their opponent in a race is different from implying that someone take their opponent in a room and beat them. The word takes on two totally different meanings. Do I really need to explain this to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-60646054781552980462008-04-25T14:28:00.000-07:002008-04-25T14:28:00.000-07:00Keith Olbermann: Today's Worst Person in the World...Keith Olbermann: Today's Worst Person in the World". You guys have covered it completely. We raise our daughters to be proud of who they are not to be disrespected like this overpaid blowhard. Words do count.Pat Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04399824249094384084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-79201822717462870682008-04-25T14:01:00.000-07:002008-04-25T14:01:00.000-07:00If Olbmermann or any male journalist said, 'Obama ...If Olbmermann or any male journalist said, 'Obama should beat Clinton in North Carolina.' would you think that they mean he should literally beat her?<BR/>His use of words was inappropriate but saying that he calls for her murder is absurd. <BR/>And btw anyone who says Obama is only in the campaign because of MSNBC is c-r-A-z-e-e-e-e.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977662030208589392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-6928580226518673002008-04-25T13:56:00.000-07:002008-04-25T13:56:00.000-07:00Just got an e-mail from Hillary campaign inviting ...Just got an e-mail from Hillary campaign inviting comment on an op-ed. I responded and added that KO had called for Hillary's murder - quoting what he said on his MSNBC program, and asked that he, KO, be investigated.<BR/><BR/>And just what in the pluperfect hell is the matter with the gov of Oklahoma?gendergappershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607028861861443195noreply@blogger.com