tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post7439352028923981749..comments2023-09-29T06:57:06.991-07:00Comments on Anglachel's Journal: No Such Thing as an Innocent LeakAnglachelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-63185887145189282672010-12-13T22:30:03.811-08:002010-12-13T22:30:03.811-08:00The Wikileaks information avalanche is way to comp...The Wikileaks information avalanche is way to complex for the primitives of the Republicans to devise. They may be evil and destructive, but they are a collection of idiots.Koshem Boshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01724595772791711326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-72577583818566468822010-12-13T16:48:58.025-08:002010-12-13T16:48:58.025-08:00Scott,
I agree that Obama is sufficient to do him...Scott,<br /><br />I agree that Obama is sufficient to do himself in, but the objective of the opposition is not just to defeat him, but to maximize their own power. They'd do this regardless of the administration in power, though their task will be easier because of how Obama has squandered the power of the office. <br /><br />Nathan,<br /><br />Heh. I counter that *all* elections are "historical" since, well, they all become part of history. <br /><br />AnglachelAnglachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-88732802663999208022010-12-13T12:01:06.488-08:002010-12-13T12:01:06.488-08:00The only thing missing from your commentary was th...The only thing missing from your commentary was the conclusion that this next election is going to be "historic".Nathan Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09557332435976506418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-8685813698086863672010-12-13T02:09:42.390-08:002010-12-13T02:09:42.390-08:00You seem to ignoring the fact that our knowledge t...You seem to ignoring the fact that our knowledge that the war was based on lies, for example, was always countered in two ways. First a declaration that it wasn't so, and where is your evidence. Secondly a flood of new lies claiming that everything is just fine and dandy anyway. The wikileaks documents give us the evidence we need in the first place and remind us that propaganda is the war every government wages against its citizens to protect itself from their knowing what it is up to. It is constant and ongoing and getting more and more sophisticated day by day. That doesn't stop the policies being dumb, of course. Meanwhile, I am struck by the way that this constant diet of lies has made us scent conspiracy and plotting everywhere. Our trust is so hollowed out that even when someone comes and dumps a load of raw data in our laps, for once unfiltered and processed by the gatekeepers of the truth in the mainstream media, we scent plot and conspiracy there too. Next step, we will suspect our eyes of conspiring with our brains to feed us false information in order to manipulate our behaviour (and, er, yes that is oone way of describing what they actually do). How the government must be sitting back and laughing. They have plenty to hide but nothing to fear because we don't actually trust the truth when we see it. The public relation industry's greatest triumph. We simultaneously passively accept and view sceptically everything. No wonder we don't have the guts to actually change things.Briarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242731014996459484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-37536763559809257672010-12-12T20:08:51.205-08:002010-12-12T20:08:51.205-08:00I think the Obama Administration is doing quite ni...I think the Obama Administration is doing quite nicely conniving in its own political destruction, which won't require the services of notional political conspirators. When we come to read the administration's political epitaph, the cause of its demise will be the dumbassery in plain sight that you've already discussed so well rather than a plot of some sort. I think you hit it on the nose when you observed that reaching too hard for a conspiracy to neatly explain the rather messy operation of human affairs may not be a good idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-3043956956572596452010-12-12T19:43:31.601-08:002010-12-12T19:43:31.601-08:00A little night musing,
Thanks for the typo patrol...A little night musing,<br /><br />Thanks for the typo patrol. Fixed now plus a few other errors.<br /><br />Yes, it's amazing how utterly stupid the alleged "intellectual" left gets when it sees a rabbit go down a rabbit hole. Unlike Alice, they never seem to know when they're in Wonderland. Until it all blows up on them.<br /><br />Janis,<br /><br />Yup. The cables made clear that all is not sweetness & light between states. Why would anyone think differently? The point is the leak itself, not the content of the cables.<br /><br />AnglachelAnglachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110546252851760414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-56591801027313281932010-12-12T19:16:28.399-08:002010-12-12T19:16:28.399-08:00I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to be ...I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to be surprised at.<br /><br />The last couple wars got started because of lies and bullshit.<br /><br />Diplomats occasionally drink too much.<br /><br />Other diplomats make fun of them for it.<br /><br />Some countries' diplomats call others' names.<br /><br />Seriously. I'm not learning anything I didn't already know or heavily suspect.<br /><br />The war in Iraq is an illegitimate clusterfuck! *gasp!* We all KNEW that. Lots of us were yelling about way before it was cool. I feel like I did when Kenneth Starr spent $43 million worth of MY tax money to inform the world that Bill Clinton likes blowjobs. Yeah, most guys with a pulse do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4119943.post-44523727180379667692010-12-12T18:58:33.620-08:002010-12-12T18:58:33.620-08:00Thanks for this series of posts. It's a relief...Thanks for this series of posts. It's a relief, really, to see someone acknowledge that leakers *always* have agendas. (Sometimes I agree with their agendas, or their agendas are useful to mine, but the fact remains...)<br /><br />BTW I think in this sentence you omitted NOT as follows:<br />"My current response is still to think "Valerie Plame" if only because of the balance of the memos are too focused on Iran as a threat and do NOT feel like a complete sample of the cables that would have been released in a given span of time."A little night musinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353729135860233007noreply@blogger.com