Sunday, June 01, 2008

She Just Keeps Winning!

Huzzah, she did it again!

Win, that is, by an incredible margin. A 36 point margin and more than 2-1 votes. All that despite being written off by the media, outspent by the other campaign, and continually told that she's losing, no one wants to see her go on, and all that malarkey.

I look at these numbers and I begin to understand why the RBC was willing to embarass themselves to reduce her delegate count through 50% reductions and to sell their very honor down the river to scrounge up more delegates for The Precious - they knew Hurricane Hillary was winding up out in the Carribean.

The exit polls have her winning almost everything. People who supported a particular local candidate who had endorsed Obama were more likely to vote for Obama, but that's about it.

Doing my usual tables on candidate appeal, we see a continuation of the trends that have appeared in the last few primaries. I have normalized the percentages on a base of 100,000 votes to get a sense of how votes would go per 100,000 Democratic voters:

AllHRCBHO
Hillary78,00063,96014,040
McCain7,000n/an/a
Abstain11,00055010,450

Hillary commands 78% of the vote, even higher than her victory margin, and retains a huge chunk of Obama voters. Face it folks - she's popular. She is the most popular candidate with the voters. Though Puerto Ricans cannot vote in the general election, they provide a glimpse into the probable voting patterns of stateside Puerto Rican voters and into Hispanic/Latino voters. In all areas of the country, Hillary has shown herself to be extremely popular with Hispanic/Latino voters regardless of their particular origins. She won over this constituency in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas, Ohio, Florida and now Puerto Rico. Jeralyn has an interesting post up about voting patterns of Hispanic/Latino voters over the last presidential elections that points out they are not monolithic in their support for Democrats and have been trending away from the Democratic Party. Here we have a candidate who can bring them back.

As for Obama's successes in PR, despite all the money he poured into the place, he has problems even with his own supporters:

AllHRCBHO
Obama53,00023,85029,150
McCain16,00015,200800
Abstain22,00021,120880


Immediately, he loses 25,000 voters compared to Hillary's results. He would not inherit the general good will felt towards her. Even so, her supporters would provide him with almost as many votes as his own supporters could muster. He is highly dependent upon the good will of Hillary supporters in this demographic, as was also the case in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky. More than twice as many Democrats would defect to McCain if Obama was the candidate as with Hillary, indicating he is not as appealing to moderate Democrats. In fact, almost as many of his supporters per 100,000 would vote McCain against him (his own supporters!) as would sit out, not willing to cast a vote for him. Tens of thousands of Hillary supporters would abstain rather than give hima vote, and 3/4 of that amount would simply go McCain.

If you had asked me two months ago on whether the defection (vote for McCain) or abstention (Do not cast vote) numbers would be as high as are reported in the exit polls, I would have said not even close. Now, however, I'm not so sure. While I do think they will drop and you would see more numbers for each candidate, I think the Hilalry supporters really are furious enough that stattistically significant numbers of them will defect or abstain in November. The crude favoritism of the DNC for Obama, the ham-fisted attempts to rearrange the votes to bring about the desired outcome, the aggression and contempt shown towards Hillary as a person and candidate and towards her supports are all hardening attitudes towards Obama in a way I would not have predicted back in December, or even as late as mid-February.

Hillary, of course, is being a class act towards Obama himself and even more so towards his constituents. She stopped some people who tried to boo Obama during her victory speech today. The first words she spoke, after thanking the voters, were about party solidarity and winning in November. She has always placed the burden of earning Obama supporters' votes squarely on her own shoulders, and has pledged that she will personally go to these groups throughout the nation, listen to their concerns and do her best to earn their support. She'll let the party operatives and campaign opponents have it if they do her wrong, but she never, ever criticizes the voters.

It also tickles me pink to see pictures of Hillary having a blast down in Puerto Rico:

After all she has had to put up with, the smears, the heckling, the hate and death threats from bloviating TV hacks, the unrelenting drumbeat of negativity and fear from detractors who don't have a concrete constructive thing to say about their own candidate, she deserved to have some party time.

I remember the chart Kevin Drum once had the honesty to post showing how she had more negtive press than the rest of the candidates put together. I wonder if there is an updated version of that chart? It would probably be even more exaggerated now. I don't think Obama could stand up to that kind of unrelenting assault, but it seems it just makes her more bouyant.

I don't know about you, but I think having a candidate who is popular with the majority of voters, who attracts more of her opponents voters than they do of hers, who never runs out of energy, who cannot be backed down or turned aside no matter how hostile and unfair the attacks, and who dedicates every day to doing right by the people who have put their trust in her is a pretty good person to have as your nominee.

She's got my vote. Permanently.

Anglachel

15 comments:

A.Citizen said...

Nice good times post. Elsewhere things are descending into the darkness.

Tomorrow for all that.

I do believe that Obama ain't quite there yet. CNN went Chicago on him today, I guess they wanted to beat the Michelle tape, and....

Well Obama supporters are sure to be screaming this week. CNN pulled no punches about Obama's tactic of knocking off opponents through tactics that can only be described as....

Rovian....heh....

CognitiveDissonance said...

She has my permanent vote, too, Anglachel. I would love to see her flip off the DNC and go run Independent. I actually think she could win in the general, even with Obama still in it. I expect him to have totally imploded by November as a result of the right wing teardown that is already starting. He was a wreck after the Wright tapes were leaked. He's seen nothing yet.

a.citizen, CNN seems to be trying to innoculate themselves from future charges that they were totally in the tank for Obama. But as we all know, it is much too little too late to be running this stuff. It should have been done months ago. Most of us already knew this information back in January.

jacilyn said...

Anglachel, I really admire you. And I am just a poor dumb uneducated type, of the sort that the DNC "elites" seems to love to spit on. So explain to me, why is this happening?

Hillary is so excellent!

She would make such an excellent President!

So why is this happening?

I made a sort of personal resolution tonight. If Hillary is an option, I vote for HER. If she is not, I will vote for Cynthia McKinney. Unless it looks like Obama might win Ohio - then I would vote McCain.

But honestly, I don't understand why this is even an issue. Hillary is strong. She could win. She would make such an excellent President! So why is this happening?

Pat Johnson said...

By completely eliminating her from the nomination, the party is also looking at losing some disenchanted Repub voters and at least half of the Independent voters as well. These groups will not vote Obama because he just does not have that crossover appeal. The Dems are shooting themselves in the foot because the GOP will be in full attack mode after Wednesday. He will have enough problems just keeping the disaffected from switching to McCain.

My Name Is Earl said...

that stattistically significant numbers of them will defect or abstain in November.

Abstain? No frackin' way. Defect? Oh yes!! My vote will not so much be a vote for McCain but a vote against Obambi.

Pat Johnson said...

Why do so many of these Obama supporters sound like they are in serious need of an intervention?

Alice said...

I just thought of this while bathing this morning. No matter what you say to Obama supporters, they say it doesn't matter. Mention Rezko, and they brush it off. You mention that Obama has done nothing and his resume has been padded. They say all politicians do that. His 20 year association with a church that is as racist as the KKK only in reverse, is pooh poohed. His corrupt friends are dismissed. His longstanding friendships with characters with terrorist ties are ignored. Nothing you ever say about Obama is relevant. He flies below the radar of political liability. No fact is relevant. No votes of his are meaningful.
So I have decided that whatever they say about McCain is not relevant either. Whatever you say to me as to why I should not vote for McCain is irrelevant. They (the Obamaloons) have justified my decision to vote for McCain. No matter what McCain has said or done, it does not matter either. I guess we should apply the "Obama Rules" to George W. Bush, too. Bush's actions are not important. His advisers were not relevant. Obama and Bush are never responsible for anything. So I guess that means that McCain is absolved of everything too. And since I cannot suport Obama, if Hillary is not nominated, I will vote for McCain. At least McCain and Hillary are friends. McCain has never shown Hillary the disrespect that Obama has displayed day in and day out.

pm317 said...

Looks like Hillary accomplished the usual (that is winning) with not much support from the two prominent parties gearing up for a local election (savagepolitics has more on this) one of whom supported Obama and the other supported McCain. The guy (who is in trouble over corruption charges) who supported Obama was testing his own opposition using this current election it seems. It is as usual extraordinary to see grassroots people's support for Hillary.

Common Sense Gram said...

Wow! You really tell it like it is- very clear, concise writing!
And congratulations- it took me over an hour to get here to read- you are very very popular!

orionATL said...

anglachel -

you said this so nicely.

she's a great politician and a great lady.

no hanging heads here.

thanks.

pm317 said...

Anglachel, wanted to see if you would comment on this..
From Cronin's Primary vs. Caucus report via Jeraly at talkleft:

Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses.

Amazing statistic, isn't it? How can the SDs miss this?

Chinaberry Turtle said...

pm317 - that statistic (if true) is shocking.

Adorable Girlfriend said...

Well said. Well. Said.

I am curious how MT and SD will vote tomorrow. It's going to be interesting.

show me said...

I am just in tears today and anyone who knows me will tell you I am not a crier!

I'll get mad again tomorrow.

Wisewebwoman said...

She's a class/intelligent/strong as steel/never say die incredible candidate.
The people say so.
Why are the delegates dithering?
Is there something we're all not seeing like the 2000 theft?
Is Rove behind Obama?
Is there a plan to take the WH with McSame? (Easy easy if Obama gets the nom)